Irrelevant Discussion when clicking on a Google Search result

Dear all,
When I search some problem/solution about LAMMPS on Google, I cannot enter the discussion which I click on results, instead I find myself in an irrelevant one from the mailing list. Is somebody else familiar with the same issue ?
Thanks

Please provide an example...

I faced the similar issue. As an example:

Re: [lammps-users] dynamic group and compute commandsimage.png

this will be directed to
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The URL is correct the same as the URL shown on the google search result, however it linked to a different topic.

Opening the cached file will direct to the correct topic (so currently this is the workaround to get to the correct discussion)
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I been running into this problem too. I can’t remember the link and search text I used, but I can dig this up if it matters. It’s not a google-specific issue. Bing also returns the wrong links to discussions on lammps.sandia.gov as well. For example searching for “lammps rerun” with Bing returns a link to this:

http://lammps.sandia.gov/threads/msg44159.html

It seems like the URL to these messages hosted on lammps.sandia.gove have been altered. Its not a problem at sorceforge.net. the URLs of messages hosted there haven’t changed. But google and bing don’t seem prioritize links from sourceforge.net (guessing it’s probably more of an issue for popular older links).

Glad someone posted this issue. Even I still frequently google solutions to lammps problems, and these old mailing links are really useful.

It would be great to repair those links. But if that’s not possible, could we take down the version hosted at lammps.sandia.gov? It’s actually sort of a disservice to have these bad links cluttering up the search engine results.

Thanks for posting this

Andrew

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andrew,

how recent is this?

i suspect this is a consequence of some changes in the mailing list support that sourceforge is implementing in anticipation of upcoming privacy regulations somewhere (probably europe). this has caused several issues: people have been unsubscribed without notice, the mailing list maintainers can no longer see who is subscribed, let alone edit the subscription status of individual users, e.g. to re-enable those users that had their mail list subscription disabled without notice.

thus we have been pondering to move away from sourceforge. after all, the mailing list is pretty much the only service of note that is used, apart from the once per year upload of a stable release in spring.

one idea that has been put forward (actually quite some time ago), is to also change the format from a plain mailing list to something more modern and flexible, e.g. we could set up a server running discourse ( https://www.discourse.org/ ; checkout the live demo at https://try.discourse.org/) in the lammps.org domain.
if needed, i can give a sales pitch as to which of the features in discourse make it a preferable choice over a mailing list and how it would improve community participation and help people find their way through the many messages.

i think it should also be possible to import the archive of the old mailing list posts (as far as we can still extract them from source forge. i haven’t tried myself recently).

axel.

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Hi Axel!

andrew,
how recent is this?

I can't be sure, but I first noticed it sometime late last week
(perhaps 9/6, 9/7?)

i suspect this is a consequence of some changes in the mailing list support that sourceforge is implementing in anticipation of upcoming privacy regulations somewhere (probably europe).
this has caused several issues: people have been unsubscribed without notice, the mailing list maintainers can no longer see who is subscribed, let alone edit the subscription status of individual users, e.g. to re-enable those users that had their mail list subscription disabled without notice.
thus we have been pondering to move away from sourceforge. after all, the mailing list is pretty much the only service of note that is used, apart from the once per year upload of a stable release in spring.

Oof, not yet Those seem to be the only links that appear to be
working. It's the links on lammps.sandia.gov that are screwy.

For example, I occasionally derive egotistical satisfaction by
google-stalking my own program: If I search for: molecule builders
lammps (https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=lammps+molecule+builders)
...the first link is me bragging about how great moltemplate (and
topotools) are ("Announcement: Molecule builders for LAMMPS"). But
when you click on the link, it takes people here instead:
http://lammps.sandia.gov/threads/msg31946.html

All my hopes and dreams for fame and world domination are dashed by
this, but it also might confuse other people who are looking for
lammps related howtos and stuffs not in the official docs.
Fortunately google links to the same thread on sourceforge work fine.
(https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&q=lammps+molecule+builders+sourceforge)

So please don't take down the sourceforge mailing list yet. Deleting
the sourceforge mailing list would break the only links that search
engines can still find, and make me sad.

Andrew
Is stackexchange no longer cool? discourse.org sounds great too. No
opinion there yet. I noticed that there are stackexchange sites for
"blender" and "arduino" (alongside "physics", "AskUbuntu" and
"Vegetarianism"...) Should there be a "lammps" one?

Hi Axel!

> andrew,
> how recent is this?

I can't be sure, but I first noticed it sometime late last week
(perhaps 9/6, 9/7?)

​ok, so that would corroborate my suspicion, that this is due to
sourceforge "pruning" the mailing list and thus when steve is processing
the archive file for the sandia webpage, the links become renumbered, and
google's web bots don't seem to notice fast enough.​

> i suspect this is a consequence of some changes in the mailing list
support that sourceforge is implementing in anticipation of upcoming
privacy regulations somewhere (probably europe).
> this has caused several issues: people have been unsubscribed without
notice, the mailing list maintainers can no longer see who is subscribed,
let alone edit the subscription status of individual users, e.g. to
re-enable those users that had their mail list subscription disabled
without notice.
> thus we have been pondering to move away from sourceforge. after all,
the mailing list is pretty much the only service of note that is used,
apart from the once per year upload of a stable release in spring.

Oof, not yet Those seem to be the only links that appear to be
working. It's the links on lammps.sandia.gov that are screwy.

​obviously, we won't take it down before there is a replacement, and one of
the conditions for a replacement would be that it includes the archives.​

[...]

So please don't take down the sourceforge mailing list yet. Deleting

the sourceforge mailing list would break the only links that search
engines can still find, and make me sad.

​i think your ego will be safe. ​

Andrew
Is stackexchange no longer cool? discourse.org sounds great too. No
opinion there yet. I noticed that there are stackexchange sites for
"blender" and "arduino" (alongside "physics", "AskUbuntu" and
"Vegetarianism"...) Should there be a "lammps" one?

​i don't think the (active) LAMMPS community is large enough to make a
stackexchange pitch work.
for the concept of stackexchange, it would make much more sense, if there
was one that would address more general molecular dynamics simulation
questions, regardless of the MD code (how to i set up a system of X? how do
i compute property Y? how do i realize a simulation of process Z) so that
you widen the pool of potential participants. it would also help (almost)
all MD codes (charmm has a rather well organized and properly moderated
forum ecosystem) so that they don't have to deal as much with questions
that are not really about the respective codes.

​FWIW, some of the people behind the development of discourse also work on
stackexchange.

<sales pitch>in my opinion discourse combines benefits from the
stackexchange format (up/down voting, ranking by popularity, grouping by
relevance), regular forums (categorization), social media (tagging,
timeline, mentions), and mailing lists (bidirectional email gateway). while
a plain mailing list is working well for old-timers like me, the flow of
communication in discourse is more in line with what younger generation are
familiar with, and i would expect this encourage more participation in the
discussions. the lammps-users mailing list suffers from e-mail being a more
"isolating" way to discuss and thus too few people answering questions or
contributing to ongoing discussions. i noticed, for example, that technical
discussions about new features or bugs in LAMMPS are much more effective
and comprehensive on the github page. some long-standing issues (e.g.
known, but difficult to narrow down issues in AIREBO or lack of a modern
configuration and build system like CMake), only gathered sufficient
traction on github, which makes it easy for multiple people to pitch in. i
would love to see a similar improvement to other parts of the communication
about LAMMPS. so i'd say stackexchange is cool, discourse is cooler.</sales

axel.

> one idea that has been put forward (actually quite some time ago), is to
also change the format from a plain mailing list to something more modern
and flexible, e.g. we could set up a server running discourse (
https://www.discourse.org/ ; checkout the live demo at
https://try.discourse.org/) in the lammps.org domain.
> if needed, i can give a sales pitch as to which of the features in
discourse make it a preferable choice over a mailing list and how it would
improve community participation and help people find their way through the
many messages.
>
> i think it should also be possible to import the archive of the old
mailing list posts (as far as we can still extract them from source forge.
i haven't tried myself recently).
>
> axel.

​[...]​

Axel’s surmise is correct. What happened is that SForge removed all

personal email info from their mailbox files they make available for

download to owners of mail lists like LAMMPS. Actually they
stopped making the mailbox files available for a few weeks. When they re-enabled

downloading of the file a couple weeks ago, I had to grab

the entire file (GBs) and re-convert it (via mhonarc) into HTML pages for the LAMMPS

webpage. That undoubtably renumbered many of the messages. So

until Google re-crawls the current page it will be out-of-sync with searching.

SForge no longer support downloading of only the most recent tail of the mailbox file

(have to grab whole thing every time), so I’m hoping the renumbering doesn’t happen

periodically. I don’t think it will.

Steve