Problem with a simulation

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

*Hello,*

*First, please see the attached article (especially the part of the
Dendrimer model and simulation).*

​please note, that a) by posting this article in a public forum, you
probably violated the licensing/redistribution terms under which you got
access to it, and b)​ i have no time to learn, study and review your
research. that is your job or something you need to discuss with your
adviser. i can tell you what i know to be incorrect or unusual. it is
ultimately your choice whether you stick with your settings or change them,
and it is going to be ultimately you that has to justify your choices when
you present your work.

*Second, the geometry should be a 3-D shape as in the article.*

​it *very* obviously is not. just visualize it and look at the data file,
it is *obvious* to see, that there are many lines with the exact same
coordinates.​
this is easily proven by adding the following command to your input:

delete_atoms overlap 0.01 all all

this will delete all atoms that have a distance of less than 0.01 \AA.
​you'll see in the output that​ this deletes the number of atoms that i
claimed are redundant.

* The article method has no simulation boundaries, so no periodic bc, but I

chose this as a test.*

​as mentioned before, if you do not want periodic interactions, don't use
periodic boundaries. shrinkwrap boundaries in LAMMPS are specifically
designed to set this up in the most effective way.​

* The coul/debye potential in the article has no cutoff radius, so I chose
this cutoff which is equal to the length of the box of simulation.*

​that makes no sense at all. just make some simple back-of-the-envelope
considerations: a) if you don't want interactions with perio​dic images of
your base molecule, your cutoff *MUST NOT* be longer than *HALF* the
shortest end-to-end length of your box. it is a *RADIUS*. b) however, if
you do want all interactions *within* your molecule, your cutoff needs to
be *at most* the maximum possible *extent of your molecule*.

* As for morse potential I chose the same cutoff as in the article. I
chose lj/coul 1.0 1.0 1.0 for special bond because I need to calculate all
interaction as in this article.*

* I chose the dielectric constant of the water which is the implicit
solvent and coul/debye for pair style as in the article.*

​this makes no sense at all. this way you are include the screening effect
from the solvent *TWICE*.​

* The choice of nsq came from a problem faced and this choice solved it,
but I made some changes so I think the default one will work fine now. (I
forgot return it to default one).*

​this is a very bad approach to problem solving. you cannot just change
options without understanding what they do until your input runs. what if
it will run only for the wrong reasons? and thus result in a bogus
trajectories. please keep in mind, that a input that does not crash is a
necessary condition for a correct simulation, but not a sufficient one.​

*I hope that I help you guess the situation.*

​i have summarized what i think. it is now your job to turn this into a
meaningful simulation. it looks to me, you should seek some proper tutoring
from a local person, that has experience in MD simulations and statistical
mechanics. if you struggle as much with such basic issues, you will be in
deep trouble, if you actually move on to something more complex.

​axel.​

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

Hello,

I am sorry for what I do for the article, honestly, I have not read the licensing/redistribution terms. I am sorry again.

Thanks a lot for your advises.

I have some questions on your replay which are:

​this makes no sense at all. this way you are include the screening effect from the solvent TWICE.​

what do you mean by twice, is that for kappa and dielectric constant together in coul/debye potential ?

I have a program written to doing Brownian dynamics simulation that is simple compared to LAMMPS but it is used the dielectric constant for a water together with kappa to calculate the debye-huckel potential. this program was written by a researcher. and I do the same thing.

that has experience in MD simulations and statistical mechanics. if you struggle as much with such basic issues

Actually, I am a beginner in this science performing this simulations and I will compare my results to the researches ones and then I will know what the wrong I did, but what are the basics of the MD and Stat. mec. that I must learn ? please do not laugh from my question.

Thanks a lot for your patience.

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

Hello,

I am sorry for what I do for the article, honestly, I have not read the
licensing/redistribution terms. I am sorry again.

Thanks a lot for your advises.

I have some questions on your replay which are:

1.
​this makes no sense at all. this way you are include the screening effect
from the solvent *TWICE*.​

what do you mean by twice, is that for kappa and dielectric constant
together in coul/debye potential ?

I have a program written to doing Brownian dynamics simulation that is
simple compared to LAMMPS but it is used the dielectric constant for a
water together with kappa to calculate the debye-huckel potential. this
program was written by a researcher. and I do the same thing.

​there is no general way to do this. whether somebody else did something
different for a different model is irrelevant. ​you need to check what the
model in the paper you are trying to reproduce did. if in doubt, make
(simpler) tests or try to contact the authors​.
in several coarse grain models that i know, the effect of the dielectric
constant of the designated solvent is already taken care of in the
derivation of the (partial) charges of the model and thus it would be a
mistake to apply a dielectric constant != 1. i don't have time to study the
paper you are referring to.

2.

that has experience in MD simulations and statistical mechanics. if you
struggle as much with such basic issues

Actually, I am a beginner in this science performing this simulations and
I will compare my results to the researches ones and then I will know what
the wrong I did, but what are the basics of the MD and Stat. mec. that I
must learn ? please do not laugh from my question.

​you need *all* the basics​, that is why they are "the basics". for
starters, you should not start with as complex a system as you are trying
to do. but rather start with reproducing simulation data for simpler
systems (e.g. liquid argon, hydrocarbons, liquid water, mixtures) and also
learn how to check whether your system is correct, learn about
equilibration, efficient system preparation etc. etc... as mentioned
before, this is off-topic for this mailing list, but something that you
need to work on with your adviser.

i am not laughing at your question, but am rather sad about the fact, that
your adviser/supervisor lets you work on MD simulations without the proper
preparation.

axel.